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On this episode of The Little White Lie Caren and Leslie talk about “How to be the “Staar” of your life! They cover the following topics:
“It’s a very special time for women to celebrate all the different kinds of women doing all kinds of different things”.
Being Labeled: You can’t just be labeled one thing. There is a real person there. Today I think that’s becoming really ok, less judgmental.
Defining Feminism: Looking back from today, they didn’t have active feminism back then. They didn’t have the rights. What they did was groundbreaking and they really stood up for themselves saying, “I’m not doing anything wrong, this is art”.
Leslie Zemeckis is an actress, author, award-winning documentary and an expert historian of early American pop culture.
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how can you be the star of your life I
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discussed this and more with my very
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special guest actress and author leslie
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zemeckis on today's episode of the
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little white lie welcome to the little
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white lie show a lifestyle show for
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super boomers and beyond that will
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enhance your lifestyle health
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empowerment and more hello everyone
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karen Glasser here and welcome to the
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little white lie I am so excited that
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you're here today if you're here on
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replay we're delighted you're here on
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that everyone out there can see what you
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see
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today's guest is awesome I am beyond
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beyond excited that this guests agreed
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to join me she has been all over the
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country promoting this amazing book that
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we're going to talk about her name is
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leslie zemeckis she is an actress and
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author and an award-winning
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documentarian an expert historian of
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early American pop culture she is
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currently Criss crossing across the
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country promoting her most recent
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bestseller feuding fangirls and today
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her next stop is with us here on the
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little white lie and so I welcome Leslie
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to the show Leslie how are you today hi
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I'm great thank you I am as I said
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delighted that you're here and we like
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to always start the show with this
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question asking all of our guests leslie
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zemeckis what is your little white lie
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so you're starting with that okay I
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think my little white lie because I say
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it all the time is there are not enough
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hours in the day which i think about
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there really are enough hours in the day
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if you use them right if you cherish
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them if you organize them
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and I think I'll if you forgive yourself
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wait you some of those hours I think a
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lot can be accomplished in a day I love
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that answer I love that answer because I
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say that all the time there's just not
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enough hours in the day right and yet we
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all have the same amount of hours we
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just have to use them wisely yes exactly
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I mean you know what would we do with
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more hours oh god forbid we would hold
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the test even more because we're women
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that's what we could do it yeah so
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today's topic is so timely your book is
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timely having you on the show is timely
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because just yesterday right just
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yesterday the election and what over a
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hundred women were voted into Congress
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that's just that's just crazy right it's
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it's awesome it's not a bad crazy it's a
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good crazy good person you're you know
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you are very very interested and you
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have followed this journey on following
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burlesque and you have books out and you
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have movies out and you have a new book
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out what is the fascination how did you
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get involved in burlesque I was kind of
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as an actress I was doing a one-woman
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show that's very a cabaret style the
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character I had created was for last for
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I thought she was based on Mae West and
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fifty Rose Lee and then I realized well
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you know I don't even tell what
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burlesque means so I started looking and
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nothing had been done from the
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performers point of view really I
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couldn't find out who you where I mean
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in particular their story was where they
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came from what happens afterwards how
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they even got into it so I does it kind
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of obsessed me and I started talking I
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found some that had been you know worked
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in the 30s 40s 50s I know what I want to
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give voice to these women and I did a
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documentary and from that you know a
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book and and so it's it's partly
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burlesque but it's also that early
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American pop culture which involves the
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circus and vaudeville right he's that
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still inform our entertainment today
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that we're not even aware of so you have
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a new book that's out it's a best-seller
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already
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I think it was a best-seller almost
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before it even went out the gate so
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which is which it does it says a lot
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about you and it says there it is and
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actually I was going to go throw that
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that thing up right now there we go
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so you don't have to have a little thing
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without my fan never without your fan so
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tell us a little bit about I love the
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title feuding fan dancers but it's about
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two - fan dancers Sally Rand right and
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stay fit let's talk a little bit up
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Sally
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yeah Sally was really the most well
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known she became famous in 1933 World's
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Fair working in Chicago but faith had
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been on Broadway as a Ziegfeld girl was
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also her fan dance and so they both
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claimed to be the originators of the
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dance they had a very public feud in
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fact faith of dude Sally and it was her
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dance and you know nobody else should do
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it and so it's really looking at that
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culture of not they weren't per se
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burlesque
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they were more the traditional showgirl
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the Broadway show girl even though they
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did perform love so I mean I know you
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talked about feminism and you talked
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about that in terms of the different
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books and the different documentaries
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and and the mockumentary say Jen are you
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a feminist of course
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so how every woman I said well so how do
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you define feminism so what I think the
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public really publicly you know in
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however voice you have of really
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defending and promoting women and their
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stories their rights whatever they they
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want to do really being a champion for
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women I happen to look backwards a lot
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because they didn't have a chance they
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had a different voice a lesser of a
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voice then just showing women today what
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these women had to go to go through and
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it was really a stigma there was really
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less choices for work and to be nude and
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dancing you know really had quite a
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stigma and it still does today I get
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asked all the time oh but they were
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really prostitute right because if one
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equals the other exactly so so you're
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out there on the road I know that you
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literally are bouncing back and forth
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across the coasts and and and meeting
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all these people meeting a lot of people
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that are interested and excited what are
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what are some of the comments that
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you're getting as they come to get the
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book signed I got the book back up so as
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people get a chance to see your book
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we're going to be telling you how to get
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a copy by the way in just a little bit
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but what are some of the comments that
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you're getting out there when you're out
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there talking about this what I really
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like to hear is I had no idea you know
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what I didn't know is this big industry
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I didn't know they were so famous I
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didn't know the kind of you know it's
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really like a self-produced show all for
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really burlesque and and for these two
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in particular you know they created
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their own act they bring in the music so
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it's really they were doing everything
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on their own you know including building
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their spent some time Wow Wow there's
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there's great pictures of Sal you know
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she's I would pull in de and the ladder
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out her hammer and go up there and climb
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and put together her show a one-woman
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band right you did everything with it
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yeah you had to you know nobody else was
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helping or if they did it wasn't to
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their standards I mean they had very
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high standards of what they were doing
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with art and they won't what I did Shane
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so I mean as I listened to you talk and
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I listen to you talk about the the the
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women who have who have been so involved
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in this and the ground breaking I think
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how does that how does that layer over
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what's happening in our in our world
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today in our society today I asked you
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if you're a feminist we're talking about
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burlesque you said that some people ask
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aren't they prostitutes I mean how does
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this how does this lay on top of what we
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have in our society today
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do we have would they have been
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considered feminists back then not
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Baghdad looking back today I think we
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would I I don't know that we because
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they weren't out saying yes you know we
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should have the right tripperz should do
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this I don't think at the time they
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would be looked at it but what they did
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was really groundbreaking and they
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really stood up for themselves they
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I am not doing anything wrong you know
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this is an art this is what I wanted to
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do I'm supporting myself I'm supporting
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the family I'm on the road I'm working
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all the time and I think we can look at
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it net value to talk about the lair or
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is like having less judgement on label
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we always are labeled oh there are
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strippers or I my second film it's about
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Siamese twins
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oh they're freaks in the circus so we
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don't go behind what what does that mean
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you can't just be on the stripper you
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know there's a person there and right
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you know but so I think that's becoming
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just really less judgmental actually at
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that touch away though I think that's
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probably very true what you're saying
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and I think that that so when you go and
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you do these book signings I I've seen
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some pictures you actually have some fan
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dancers and those yeah for most comments
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as long it's their space in the bit then
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you know you know I'd say 90% of them
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I've had a fan dancer a local fan dance
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or come in so really you know I'll do a
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reading and I'll talk about them but I
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don't think people really have an idea
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what young fan what do you do with a fan
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I mean some of these girls are just
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they're actors gorgeous so well they
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just you know presents what this is so
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how if somebody wants to come out and
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actually go to a book signing I know you
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have a whole list of books would they go
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to your website you can go to my website
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or on Facebook I'm under magazine
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everything's listed there all the
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upcoming like the next two weeks is
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really they okay so I'm putting up your
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website right now leslie zemeckis calm
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I'm also putting up your Facebook page
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if people want to go out and check it
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out that way so that they can see you
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and come out and guys if you do go out
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and see Leslie and go to the book
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signing
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make sure you tell them that you saw her
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on the little white lie so she knows
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from whence they come right so I really
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want to now talk about this book and I
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want to just talk about how people can
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can get it and talk about maybe a couple
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of your favorite parts in the book that
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people can look for
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when they're reading the book where do
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you direct them what's the first thing
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that they should be noticing when they
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open up this book but it's absolutely a
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stunningly beautiful book I mean that
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you can't tell so much in a picture but
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there's the goal they just did my
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publishers been in a really beautiful
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job of you know and and you think of it
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the Showgirl was about so and it was
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about beauty it was really about the
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industry of beauty so I think the book
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very much reflects that I think if you
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just read the four or five pages of the
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prologue you will be sucked in it's
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reason I love life I guess I wanted to
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fight as one have a tragic ending why
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does the other one not there's a lot of
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answers to that but it is like I said
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really also about the industry of beauty
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at the time and who added woman I and
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was it worth it alright as Joey says the
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story behind the stories is fascinating
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right the stories behind the stories I'm
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putting up so I've got a me who said
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agreed they need they did what they
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needed to do at the time and also it
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wasn't it was they weren't anything
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wrong I mean it was a really huge both
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burlesque and show Rove I build it with
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a big industry I mean these women and
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men were the comedians and other hood
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work
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night after night week after week for
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years and years and years with a big big
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industry egg industry yes you can make a
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really good living you can have a huge
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fan base and they were a lot of them
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were stars
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I mean Sally we certainly mostly
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remember today faith not so much but she
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was a huge star when she in 1930 she was
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in a show on Broadway Earl Carroll who
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was instilled rivals and he could be
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sleek you can be nude on a Broadway show
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perfectly legal nothing to do with her
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last brought a legitimate Broadway show
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and so faith was there with her too and
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standing there nude she came up the idea
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well if I move you know I'll just cover
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myself it got her arrested
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still Wow it was a bet
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the matinee show the show had just
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opened a couple days earlier by that
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night the show was sold out and it was
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for the rest of the run and she became a
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huge food star everybody knew who face
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Baker was I loved it she disrupted
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things didn't she yeah totally a
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disruption service idea I think it's
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awesome I think it's awesome for those
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of you who are watching right now and
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you want to know how to get Leslie's
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book if you go to the Boomer at the
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super boomer lifestyle comm lessees book
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is front and center you can click on the
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link and pick up the book and you can
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check out her other books as well she's
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got lots of different books in there as
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well
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she's very well-versed I have a question
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for you and that is what is something
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that people don't know about you even
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your best friends that you want to just
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expose and be vulnerable on the little
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white lie well one thing my husband
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knows they always laughed about if I
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have many and they're not fears but what
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are they the opposite if there's it's
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like not spoils challenges no no like
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almost superstitions like oh no I'm not
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gonna walk under a ladder or you know if
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there's a on the news about a prison
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outbreak I'm convinced those people are
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coming to get me so they're not Ariel
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Spears there I forget what the word is
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you use it all the time laughs so so
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those of you who are listening I'd be
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curious to hear do you have the similar
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kind of thing you watch the news you
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read something immediately think I'm one
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of those people right it's all about me
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and it's going to happen to me I'd be
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curious to hear if you're watching live
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or even on replay tell us if you have
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that same kind of hidden thing that now
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it is mafia mafia phobias I have a thing
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about spiders arachnophobia yeah so we
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have told everyone how they can get
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touch with you they know that they can
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go to their your Facebook page which is
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leslie zemeckis five they
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go to your Instagram and follow you
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there at leslie zemeckis and they can
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also go to your twitter which is also at
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leslie zemeckis and i am sir and what I
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know about you Leslie already is that if
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your name is tagged in there you tend to
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want to reply and tweet it out retweet
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it out you are very active on your
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accounts or maybe you have somebody
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doing it for you but I do not have
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anybody to myself I do my own research I
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do my own social media because wow yeah
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exactly why not and I I think that's
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awesome that even more than I want to
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really thank you because I know that
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you've been sharing out our tweets and
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the things that we have out there so we
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thank you for that and that's just a
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heads up for people listening you want
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to get Leslie as attention and tweet out
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her book she would love that I am sure
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any last thoughts but you would like to
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share with us um you know I just think
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it's a very special time for women and
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to celebrate all different kinds of
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women doing all kinds of different
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things and the only other thing I would
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like to say as I cherish words like
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cherish stories I would like to see more
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people reading not just it's something
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very important to fill your brain with
16:47
stories with inspiration and so go read
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a book I love it to the mind in
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particular yes what not don't just read
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any old book you want to read Wesley's a
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book and I encourage you again go check
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out her site and go find out where she's
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gonna be because she's going to be
17:05
coming to a location near you I know
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that you're actually coming to a
17:08
location near me I'm actually
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considering getting in my car and
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driving over to Palm Springs to see you
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yeah because you're gonna be there soon
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I know that
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so Leslie thank you again for taking
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time to join us on the show we are so
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appreciative I'm gonna drop you into the
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green room as I finish off the show and
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again to all of our people that are
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watching right now give Leslie some some
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love go check out the boomer at the
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super boomer lifestyle check out her
17:33
book and go check her out at one of the
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via signing thank you so much for being
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on the show bye-bye
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so guys what I'd like to right now is go
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into the super boomer moment you know
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one of the things that really strikes me
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at this time and and we didn't clam the
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show around the election we plan this
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show just kind of like on its own let's
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have Leslie on and do the show and as I
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watch the election yesterday and realize
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that over a hundred women over a hundred
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women have taken are now seated in
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government in Congress how amazing what
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is happening in our world today is them
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are you a feminist a maya feminist is
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Leslie a feminist this these are all
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these questions that we want to see as
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women as we step into as we step into
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this amazing world that we're in and
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that is the super boomer moment and
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again I want to encourage you to go out
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to the super boomer lifestyle comm check
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out Leslie books she's got that book and
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she's got many more go ahead you know
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you want to order it find out what all
18:43
this is about the fan dancers and go
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check her out as well to go see her at
18:48
an upcoming show all right guys we know
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that you have a choice as to where you
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spend your time and we are eternally
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grateful that you chose to spend your
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time with me and Leslie today we want
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you to go out and give somebody an
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awesome awesome day and join us next
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week on the next episode of the little
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