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hello everyone Karen glasser here and
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welcome to this live episode of the
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little white lie so I have a question
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for you who do you think made uh sure
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Avril Lavigne kendrick lamar's gigi
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hadid and boys to men just to name a few
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look so good well I'll tell you its
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wardrobe stylist and constituting
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designer David Goyer from the only dot
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agency and he's with me today on the
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little white lie I am so excited David
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how are you good morning haha friend
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dude I'm thrilled to be here thank you
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for having me on I am so excited i mean
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i know that you use your team sense of
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style to create looks and brands that
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feel natural and approachable sometimes
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something that fans can aspire to while
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they're still maintaining you know the
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larger than life essence that we crave
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from our artists and events so I know
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you've dressed for people for the
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Grammys and for the super bowl and for
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the red carpet premieres I mean you just
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go on and on and on I'm just delighted
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that you're taking time out of your very
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very busy schedule to be here with us
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today so tell me tell me a little bit
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about your story how did you end up
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becoming a stylist to the stars well
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it's a honestly it all happened pretty
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organically I started in a very small
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town i was born in Los Angeles but my
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parents moved me up to Oregon so fashion
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wasn't exactly a giant industry in a
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central point Oregon but it was
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something I've always loved and I tried
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to find it any which way I possibly
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could so when I finally got to
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university you know we're skipping a big
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chunk here I decided to study theatre
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and I loved acting and I love cops in
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July so when I graduated the first place
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I wanted to go to with New York sort of
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the mecca of it all in my eyes at that
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time and it was it was very interesting
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because I didn't arrive in any one
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specific direction and I was trying it
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all i was doing little independ
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filmed and I did a little bit of theatre
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work and then I knew a very big party
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promoter there and she would ask me to
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make her different pieces so when she
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would go out people be like oh my god
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what you're wearing a rad so they would
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say hey would you make me something and
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I rent oh yeah of course that's great so
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when I finally decided that hey this
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fashion thing might be worth a worth a
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deeper look I moved back to Los Angeles
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popped into the retail market for a
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minute ended up at Dior on Rodeo Drive
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which you know is better than working it
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you know maybe so but in that wild I all
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right but in that world I end up meeting
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a lot of pilots and realized that this
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was not only an interesting creative
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dynamic career but could be very you
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know lucrative could be a in terms of a
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lifelong career that I could I could do
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you know till the day I die so through
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uh people i knew my partner being one of
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them i ended up meeting a very very
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well-known agent who handled by lips and
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hair and makeup artist and whatnot he he
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hooked me up with a few test him so I we
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could test the waters then he introduced
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me to a phenomenal stylist who became my
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mentor for almost four years and I
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assisted and studied under her and then
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it was time it just sort of organically
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happened and within one month of me
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going out on my own Usher's management
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called and said we really love David's
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work and we want to work with him and
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that was literally right right in the
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middle of the OMG period and that which
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led into like we were talking about the
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AMA the Grammys the Super Bowl halftime
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show you know he wanted to go to Fashion
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then it just so it just kind of blew up
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from there but it was pretty interesting
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that in essence you know usher with my
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first client so we're talking about
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being thrown into the deep end oh whoa
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oh poor you if that's all Genesis poor
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you so are you how cool is that how cool
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is that but I know it's not just like an
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overnight sensation you work very very
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hard to get where you are at and you
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continue to work really really hard as
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to where you are going and that's one of
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the reasons why I really wanted to bring
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you on today because I wanted to talk
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about aging and beauty as I have been on
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this journey my little I'm talking with
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my hands again but as I've been on this
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journey this little white lie journey I
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always like to start the show by saying
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hey guys look look at the grow out and
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look what's going on here because this
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is what I'm embracing embracing my my
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aging I'm embracing my grey I'm
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embracing everything about Who I am and
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that's why I wanted to bring you on
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because back in the day back in the
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olden days when I was you know Ali khat
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there Claire all used to really kind of
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guide people as to how their hair is
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supposed to look right if they talked
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about you know you know watch that gray
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right out of your hair so do you think
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times are changing our weaving or
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weeping told what to wear how to how to
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ask how to dress or you think that maybe
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things are starting to change a little
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bit I think that things are starting to
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change more than just a little bit I
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think there is a very large embracing of
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one quote unquote natural state not in
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the sense of letting yourself go there's
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there's very much something to be said
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for you know taking care of your skin
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taking care of your hair you know taking
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care of your insides and being healthy
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but not being still preoccupied with
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covering up what is quote unquote
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considered a flaw I find it bizarre that
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something as simple as going gray is
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almost treated like an ailment as a
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natural process in life right now I mean
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I'm bald you know and i started i
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started going bald by golly
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like I try to uh you know and that
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started in my 20 you know I have friends
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who started going you know very famous
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actors right now young actors on very
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very well-known shows that are still in
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their early 20 and they're going gray so
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and there's this push push push for
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youth youth youth and I think there is
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there's a place for it now but it I
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don't think it is as it is as coveted as
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it used to be well statistical touch on
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that I want to touch on that because um
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I'm noticing a lot of young women who
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are coloring your hair white yep silver
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gray what's with that is that a trend or
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or is that a sign of things to come I
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think it is one of those bizarre
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cyclical trends because i remember back
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in the late 90s that came into play and
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i even did that to a friend of mine pair
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drew a jet-black hair at the time and
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she wanted to be silver block or silver
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white and I was like great let's do it I
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think with the idea of what a woman
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should be and should look like is
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changing dramatically and I think it's
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because women like you rich Bravo are
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embracing what is naturally happening
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because there is nothing wrong with it
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it doesn't make you less intelligent it
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doesn't make you less strong it doesn't
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make you less assertive or it's just
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simply a pigment change so I think
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letting you know and you take women I
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mean you look at older women like Helen
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Mirren or Judi Dench or you know of
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those sorts who haven't been plucked and
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pulled in and they're stunning you look
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at observing right Jamie being perfect
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yeah quite Jess you let it go gray a few
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years ago you know rain beautiful
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you know for women and there's something
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I feel I feel that that is something not
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only women that would be considered
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their peers and age but also younger
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women and even girls can see that and go
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oh the future isn't it terrifying I
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don't have to live up to these
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impossible standards because wow look
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look at what these women have to come
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and there is look fantastic so I mean a
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question and remains to be said then our
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societal norms changing I mean is media
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entertainment are they changing how we
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do have society views aging or not is
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this just a blip do you think that we
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can go backwards from this or or is it a
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positive thing we're going to move
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forward is society of norms are they
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changing I think they are changing I
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think the the norm in our society are
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moving they're moving to a level of
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openness that I don't think we've really
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seen before before it was movement there
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was you know think about you know the
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you know early 20th century when all of
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a sudden women put on pants and it was a
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revolutionary you know there I mean so
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now because there's I will say the
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younger generation and even you know I
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think even the boob baby boomers at this
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moment in time are embracing the fact
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that there are just so many options so
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many space of being and the young really
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embraced variety right now they don't
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expect older people quote unquote to
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look a certain way anymore the way
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things are even campaigned aren't the
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same anymore you know and even fashion
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even the Honda utmost the the upper
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echelon of fashion on the runway you're
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seeing people of size you are seeing men
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and women with gray hair with wrinkles
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right so when when you see the diversity
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and you see how amazing it can look
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it actually I feel like it adds it it
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enhances so the norm I don't think
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there's any such thing anymore and
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they're around there's no honestly
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because I just don't believe in the rule
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you know aside well I'd honestly I was
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going to say aside from like the hem of
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a path but even that has changed you
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know my reasoning everything can be
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explored now and we are in for some very
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scary time but the basic level of the
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word exciting were an exciting time
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especially with the revolution of the
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woman I believe the woman is she is
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going to change the norm and that's the
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Royal she because whatever the woman
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does is going to dictate what the woman
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does dad know important is that you're
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saying this i mean i'm feeling very
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empowered myself by being able to show
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up like this i'm saying on social media
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these grey and proud groups that are out
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there and they have thousands and
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thousands of members in these social
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media groups that are going for
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encouragement and support as they go
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through this transition in life and I've
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been talking a lot about the little
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white lie is not necessarily your white
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hair the little white line maybe how if
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you're going to have work done on your
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face or you have had work done in your
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face or what kind of make if you're
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going to wear or in my case in addition
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to this my 5-inch heels that I used to
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wear all the time because somehow i
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equated five-inch heels with youth and
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flat shoes with old lady people and now
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I were flat yes I admit it I wear flats
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I'm going white and i don't feel like
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i'm old i know that even though i might
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be 60 i feel that i am just as vibrant
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and young as I was 30 years ago and I
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think a lot of women aren't bracing that
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at this point oh I absolutely agree I
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absolutely agree I don't think age is
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the thing that we need to hide anymore
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and it's funny because it used to be
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there was it was a very long phase when
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someone would ask someone's age and they
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say well how will do you think I you
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know hoping that they would get younger
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could let knowing it let me
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thankfully that's what everybody wanted
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they everybody want to be okay yeah now
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I think people boldly say their age and
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their sterility with it a great one of
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those people I'm one of those people
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because it breaks all the myth of what
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age is and it's just like what you said
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you feel empowered and as young as ever
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that's your age frankly I mean we're not
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trees you don't cut us in half and count
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the Rings it's just not that simple I
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even want to know how many brings I have
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inside so okay so let's say and we I
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know we have a lot of viewers on thank
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you viewers by the way we're putting
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some of your comments up here what do we
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tell our viewers that are deciding
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whether they want to start taking this
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journey they want to start showing up
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however they want to show up and I'm not
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saying they said by not coloring your
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hair or by coloring your hair there's
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something wrong with you however you
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decide you want to take this journey
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what would you like our viewers to know
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about aging and beauty that might help
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the journey a little bit to lift not so
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painful because this can be painful in
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the beginning what would you suggest to
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this I would take it in stages because
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there's no need to revolutionize
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yourself overnight you want to be able
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to I mean we are there people are
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constantly changing whether we want to
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or not and if you make small choices
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along the way you're not going to look
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in the mirror and all of a sudden see a
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stranger you're going to feel that
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you've grown in to this person
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organically and it's not going to appear
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such a shock to yourself and those
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around you because the hardest part I
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think would make any kind of decision
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all the questions yeah so just simply
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letting your hair grow out or maybe not
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wearing as much makeup as you used to or
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lowering the heel of your shoe you know
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you know changing some article that
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people associate that you always wore
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but you're just like you know what I
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don't want to wear skirts anymore I'm
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done I really like my jeans and I want
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to wear my G you know something as
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simple as that or take a contact out and
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embracing the fact that you wear glasses
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you know they're just certain things
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that you know but then there's a bold
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then they're the ones he said hey guess
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what the gray has grown out a bit I'm
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going to cut my hair super short all the
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colors will be gone I'm address a funky
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new do and great any more power to you
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so yeah if there are no wrong choices in
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this regard that can't be corrected
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because you know we're getting a little
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white lie you try your glasses you still
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don't like it which contact second may
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be medically my hair girl yeah and
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that's what my hairdresser said to leave
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it if you decide you don't like it like
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it color it yeah it's up to you it's
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whatever makes you feel like the best
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you it just has to feel organic and
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honest there's it's very difficult to
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have a conversation with someone who
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feels that society has put something
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upon them and they are they appear as
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what they think they should they're
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expected to appear at that becomes
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confusing it does that I don't think
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that shows a I don't question someone's
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integrity so much but it does seem that
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there's a bit of insecurity and it and
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you don't want especially in business
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you don't want to have to work with
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someone who you constantly have to
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reaffirm and so like what you're doing
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it's almost a badge of honor and you're
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like okay here's a strong person we
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could you know we can Rumble with this
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person that's fantastic that's what I'm
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hoping for thing that is that you know
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what actually yeah I have a friend she's
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currently she has breast cancer she just
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finished her chemo and she's about to
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have a double mastectomy now of course
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she lost all her hair and she vowed to
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spend some time without breath
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um so when you talk about what it is to
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be a woman she's completely embraced it
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you know and she wears a hat because
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been cold but you know she wears you
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know she wears her bald head like it's a
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crown and is not going to feel the need
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to wear big baggy sweatshirt to cover up
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the fact that she's going through
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something that women go through
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unfortunately so it is there's that
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honesty that I think is more I don't
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know it almost it's almost like an open
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arms I feel more drawn to people who are
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willing to just let themselves be the
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best that they are I love your lipstick
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honesty honesty in exchange for the word
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on then off sentence yeah I think it
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really resonates with me that the word
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honesty and I want to ask our viewers
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and whether you're watching now or on
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replay later on I want to find out from
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you guys do you follow fashion trends
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are you following fashion trends so so
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if the fashion out there is young people
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coloring your hair white or gray are you
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going to go run out and do that too or
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if the fashion trend out there is to you
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know where a certain style or a certain
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kind of makeup do you follow fashion
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trends and make sure you post right
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there right in the comments over there
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at the curiosity what your answers are
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we will report some of those answers
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later on we got and we got John saying
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new joy at all well John hifi for you
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okay oh and we've gonna start throwing
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some of these up here we got Casey
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everhard hey Casey so you you don't you
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try to and I know all of your really
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cool shoes is because of other way it's
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because of David over here David is I
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know your personal stylist he's awesome
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and Casey you're awesome too so whether
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you're watching this right now or you
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watch this earlier make sure you put
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your comment over there I gave it I am
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so delighted that you came on with this
19:51
I want to let people know how they can
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get in touch with you and also more
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importantly how they can go see some of
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your amazing work and how you have
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industry truly transform the industry's
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on putting up your your link right now
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on the the picture i will also put it
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down below in the comments but go check
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it out i mean when you see really who
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david has dressed and who he has styled
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and who he has wardrobes you too will
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know why i love this guy he's awesome
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totally totally awesome and while you're
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there don't forget to go and check out
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the little white lie com all of these
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posts all of these lives all of these
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things that we've been talking about and
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sharing with all of our viewers they are
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there as well and I hope that you will
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do that and if you're out there and
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you're sharing things about your little
20:39
white lie I encourage you to use the
20:41
hashtag hashtag little white lie so that
20:44
we can start accumulating and following
20:47
these comments and this journey that
20:49
we're all on I love you guys I am so
20:51
happy that you're here with us today we
20:53
know that you have a choice as to where
20:55
you spend your time and today you chose
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to spend it with David and I and I am so
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happy that you did that and we hope that
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we see you next let's wait a second
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before we go we've got Amy I'm going to
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put some more comments up here so Amy hi
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Amy hi lovely people you oh you only
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work less I'm with you girlfriend I love
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that okay I'm just going to put some
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stuff over Nancy she writes I don't jump
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in the fashion trend cool but I like to
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dress with current fashion I try to mix
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and match what I have to be a
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fashionista hashtag a little white lie i
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love it i love it you guys are awesome
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oh and lisha okay we gotta listen here
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one more gosh no I learned at a young
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age trying to even keep up with them is
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killed exhausting i'm with you i'm
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totally with you on that one you guys
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are great thank you for being with us on
21:41
this little white light and we'll see
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you next week on the little white leg
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bye everyone bye David wow thank you so