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so today my guest is Amy Morrison
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Reagan's wife and I'm just I'm gonna
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read this to you because this woman is
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inspiring to me and that's why I asked
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her to come on the show Amy has a rare
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cancer and it's I'm going to
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and we were practicing it before we came
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on so I'm just gonna go ahead and
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pronounce this out here retroperitoneal
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lay out lay oh my Oh sarcoma
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it's a rare cancer and she's had it for
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over 16 years she just turned 60 in June
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happy birthday Amy and and she has had
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about 20 surgeries six chemos chemo
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email no therapy I'm we're going to
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pronounce that later on a radio
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embolization to her liver three ports
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one PICC line video assisted thoracic
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surgery to her lung to collapse lungs
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targeted radiation to her libs ribs
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liver and lung and much more in 2015 she
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went into anaphylactic shock during a
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procedure had no oxygen to her brain for
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40 minutes and yet she woke up three
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days later she is an unexplained medical
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miracle as a matter of fact it actually
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says that in her records she is now
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living with about 15 small tumors and
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trying to figure out how to stay here on
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earth but here's the thing
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you would never know it to look at her
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during this time she became a patient
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advocate helping others like herself
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stay on this earth to her goal in cancer
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survivorship is to teach others a
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systematic way in goal-setting and
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thinking outside the box to live with
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cancer as best they can
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her focus is not one time patient but
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those that are living with cancer
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ongoing for years and so without further
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ado I welcome Amy to the show
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hi Amy how are you I thank you for
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having me it's an honor well I am so so
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honored the honor is actually mine to
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have you on this show you know I just
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did a litany of things that you have
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experienced and I know that is just the
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tip of the iceberg but you are uniquely
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qualified to be sitting here and helping
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those who get this this what can be a
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horrendous diagnosis obviously and so um
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first thing I want to do is just ask you
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what is your little white line we always
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like to find out what our little white
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lies are from our guests so what's your
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little white lie in me guess my little
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white lie is I'm I have totally white
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hair like you I decided to never color
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it because my little white lie is just
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how do I carve a life out where I still
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like me in cancer and that's and I don't
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you know I'm very public about cancer
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but not obviously not when I meet people
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on a day to day basis so I always feel
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like I'm lying because I'm trying to be
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normal in in my crazy world just like
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everybody else and what snore ain't
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actually I would say question that what
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exactly is normal in this everyday life
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that we live in it's normal I don't know
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what's normal and so when we were
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designing this show we decided how we
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were going to go on you told me that
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there were four things that Amica we
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should do after the shock of cancer
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there's four basic things you need to
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consider and this is from me doing this
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myself and speaking of others number one
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is the psychology what's in your head in
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other words how do you address the
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things in your heart and in your mind if
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you're going to have cancer for years
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how do how really do you keep going so
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that's number one number two are the
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psychosocial issues of cancer so it's a
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big thing because you you have to
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basically create a whole new world
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around yourself your relationships with
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family and friends change and what about
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your work and you know how do you
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negotiate your medical stuff and your
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paperwork so all that so that's the
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psyche creating a world around you that
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you can live it happily you know as this
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the third thing is your medical life how
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do you talk to your doctors how do you
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create a treatment plan how do you deal
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with insurance issues how do you
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research and travel that's a big part of
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what I do because I have such a rare
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cancer I'm always thinking of where can
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I fly next so anything that has to do
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with your medical stuff you know and the
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world and it's a big world as far as
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like searching for things to do to stay
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here like right and then perhaps the
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biggest thing for people is your
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financial life because as you know in
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our medical system as it stands today we
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pay for everything and really the more
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rare the cancer the more you're going to
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pay especially thanks for drugs travel
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how do you negotiate I mean I've had the
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weirdest things happen to me
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even in the hospital I go into a room
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and a friend of mine will whisper into
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don't let that person stick you let that
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person stick you and yeah I'm seeing the
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comments go by and yeah I know support
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groups help tremendously i facilitate
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one where i teach this program and
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really it's all about negotiating a life
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of as much control as possible where
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there really is none so I have two
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things I kind of live by I'm I'm the
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president of my company it's like treat
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my healthcare as a business I'm the
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president and my cabinet are my health
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care professionals friends and family
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that want to help me so there have been
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times in my treatment where I've
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actually had a meeting telling people
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what I need to get done so it's so I'm
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the president number two is cancer
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patients are fearful of so many things
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there's so much fear involved in so many
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different ways so you know really how do
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you overcome that fear and I always tell
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my people in my groups if you're afraid
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to do something you're afraid to ask a
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question you're afraid to make a phone
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call or go somewhere it is most likely
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that you should do it and you feel so
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great after you do it so whatever anyone
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is afraid of they'll say well I'm afraid
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to talk to my doctor like that why who
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cares you know if you have something
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it's interesting you're saying that
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because one of the things that we talk a
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lot about is if it feels uncomfortable
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it's probably a good you should be doing
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it and your choice the same thing if
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that is your body telling you that it's
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uncomfortable but in fact that is
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exactly why you should be doing it so I
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guess you agree so this is for my I call
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my woohoo friends who believe like
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because I do believe in energy and I do
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get feelings about things I mean I
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walked out on a surgery one day because
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it feel right to me that morning so I
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said stop I'm leaving so as far as you
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know that kind of thing I really believe
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in energy so also I teach people to go
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out and enjoy new things if you've had
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something terrible done to your body
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let's say there's nothing fun
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surgery at all I mean really even if
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it's a plastic surgery there's nothing
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fun about going into a negative
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situation any kinda night with a knife
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and doing and coming out I don't really
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care about the reason so I'm a big
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believer after I have a surgery and I'm
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allowed I go get a massage
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I believe in Tai Chi and Qigong and I
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learned conga drumming so I'm constantly
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telling my people thank you thank you
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for a courageous district thank you so I
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really believe in telling people to go
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out and get the positive energy and
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doing you know what makes you feel good
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as well so there's it's just so
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complicated you talked a lot about
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setting goals and asked so what does
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that mean exactly so a goal would be and
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I drew something for you because I know
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you would laughs this is how I go set
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and with my fort this is my stick figure
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is that hilarious okay
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that's the first stick figure I ever
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drew and you know those reminds my two
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legs were my categories mm-hmm so that's
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where I did my goal setting so example
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so under psychological a goal might be
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I'm home today and I'm bored you know I
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don't feel well so a goal a simple goal
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for a cancer patient might be go to
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meetup.com and go to one new place you
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know it's not the kind of and I want to
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just make a distinction I'm not you know
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a psychologist or a psychiatrist I don't
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address mental illness which you know a
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lot of cancer patients have depression
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and PTSD that's not me I'm I I help the
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person who you know who can really take
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certain steps to keep to move on so I
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tell my people in my program today's
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today's the day you're going to do
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something new I don't care if you're
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bald today's the day you're gonna make a
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phone call in other words I had a parent
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once that said I don't have anyone to
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pick my kids up at school we talked
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about that so I had a parent in the very
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higher chart on the web and she emailed
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it to her tempo her school anything and
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so she sent out a chart and people would
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sign up to come do things for her
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because she's a single mom she didn't
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have a big support network so you know
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so that was just amazing
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so she even had people sign up for
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coffee I'm lonely I'm doing chemo today
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but he what he needed and that's really
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the point I want the patient to feel
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empowered because people don't know how
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to help you you don't know how to help
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me unless I ask you unless I give you
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and it's not come see me next week it's
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I ran out of milk he are you going to
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the store today and can you please pick
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me up a carton of milk it's hard that
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hard for people to harden for everyone
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right it's hard for me I am so
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independent you know I hate asking
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anyone for anything mm-hmm but there was
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a time once when I really couldn't move
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I couldn't even lift my leg myself so I
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was calling literally calling people up
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and saying you know I have physical
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therapy next week at two o'clock I can't
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even get to the uber by myself can you
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help me get to physical therapy can you
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you know I had a friend once many years
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ago which was hilarious bring these six
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gallons of chicken soup to my friend for
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because she didn't know what to do for
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me she goes I just I didn't know what to
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do you even talk to me and so that was
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like a wonderful lesson to me I said you
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know you're right I'm really I'm not
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making my wishes known of the people
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that want to help me I'm not telling
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them how to help me because also with
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cancer survivorship in the psychological
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with long-term illness is that there's
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plenty of people that run away right you
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know there you have to let people help
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you the way they know how I always say
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you have to let people be so that person
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who makes you that chicken soup is not
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necessarily that person who's going to
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be able to sit with you and chemotherapy
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if you want happening so you let people
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for also the people that run away cancer
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patients have to do new things they
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can't they can't just be they have to
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keep going so I'm putting a comment up
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here and by the way if you have a
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question for Amy or you have a comment
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please put it down in the post coz I
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will share it up there at the top it's
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important to let your friends know that
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this can support you and you know and I
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understand what you're saying as you
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know Amy my in my prior life life I'm a
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retired clergy woman and you know I
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would deal with death and dying all the
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time and people would always say to me I
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don't know what to do for that person
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they just lost their their father or
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their child god forbid or they I don't
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know what to say and I would just I
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would basically say what you're saying
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but sometimes it's just being there and
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sometimes it's just make picking up the
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phone and saying I'm coming over
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are you is it okay and just taking the
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insight this most the time we're not
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going to ask and that's a good Callens
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right yeah and everyone has to learn to
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ask and that's part of a psychological
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and and we talk about why that is and
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how to help you make things better
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I know right your message applies to yes
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it does at a price it applies to not
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just cancer but any long-term chronic is
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in a constant battle especially when you
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look good people have said to be may be
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sick I don't know what to do for you
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that's why you have to ask me and you
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know what Amy yesterday I saw a picture
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of you on Facebook you were on with
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yesterday or the day before and you're
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standing there joyously with your hands
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you had your pants rolled up you you
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looked joyful and I said that to the
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other day anyways is a practice joyful
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and grateful it's a practice it is truly
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a learned practice and it's the times
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you have to have really miserable things
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happen to you yeah appreciate the joy
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have a minute for a story oh of course
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now once I was you know I've been in the
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hospital over 20 times once I was in the
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hospital there was a
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four days and she was in the room next
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and she had come in she had snuck into
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my room the hallway when I was done with
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my walk I walked into my room and here's
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this patient next door to me sitting in
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my room when I came back from my walk
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and I was shocked because I knew she was
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my next door neighbor and she was young
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women in her 30s or 40s so I was walking
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into my room and seders and I look at
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and she said I'm your neighbor and I
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said I know and I didn't know whether to
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call security or go back to the nurses I
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didn't know what so I I knew there was a
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reason I so I said can I help you but I
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stayed at the door and she said I don't
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understand I said what don't you
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understand she goes you're in the
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hospital I know you just had a surgery
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and everyone in your room is laughing
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she goes you're laughing and I can't
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stop crying she goes how do you do that
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Wow hear that how do you answer that I
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said is this your first time here she
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said yes I said this is about my eighth
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time here and I just said I've had a lot
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of practice lots and lots of practice
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and I said I hope you don't have my
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practice but then I went out and I went
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to the desk because I had to have her
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taken out of my room and they banished
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her from the floor when I mean they
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moved her I you know I hope she's a I'm
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assuming eventually she was okay
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yeah but really I mean nobody was
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visiting her and she was crying and
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that's a very big deal it's a very big
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deal as Mary Jo says joy is so much
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yes joy is so much better than yes joy
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is so much better than happy happy is
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very misunderstood the word happy and
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the word positive thank you and the word
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positive and the word happy is not
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really in my vocabulary right I think
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Amy you need to refresh yourself you
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just froze so I'm gonna have Amy go
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ahead and refresh yourself I don't know
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if you can hear me I'm gonna go
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refresh her as well I'll be right back
17:44
and I think we might have lost I think
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Amy is coming back in in a second so I'm
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back and as soon as Amy comes back in
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we'll bring her back into the show
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as you can see Amy is very inspirational
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she is an amazing amazing woman and I
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have to be honest Amy and I have never
18:05
met in person we're gonna be meeting for
18:06
the first time in person on Friday now
18:09
that I move down to the area that she
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lives in and I am so excited to be able
18:12
to meet her in person and to give her a
18:14
hug but she has been so inspirational to
18:18
me and I know that she's inspiration to
18:20
all of you and when she comes back on
18:23
I'm gonna go ahead and share something
18:24
because I want to show you she's got
18:26
this really amazing group that is on
18:29
Facebook I'm gonna show you it's called
18:32
which is interesting
18:34
dead women living a guide in long-term
18:36
cancer survivorship and comedy and when
18:40
and you notice it it says comedy there
18:42
because Amy actually is quite a talented
18:44
a comedian and I'm hoping that she's
18:47
gonna be able to join back in I know she
18:48
got totally kicked out but this this is
18:53
somebody who I am inspired by and I
18:57
wanted to share with my audience in my
18:59
network somebody who has totally
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inspired me in a way that almost nobody
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else has I hope I hope that I never have
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to experience the 16 years of cancer
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that she has already experienced but she
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is doing some great work in the
19:15
she is advocating for people and she
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used to be in the insurance industry
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she's not doing that anymore but she
19:21
knows how to advocate and she knows how
19:23
to navigate in that arena it looks like
19:26
we have lost her so I am I'm gonna go
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ahead and take this off here if we have
19:33
any questions that you would like to
19:35
leave for Amy in the meantime make sure
19:37
you put that in the comments because she
19:39
will come back and she will make
19:41
comments I just want to thank her for
19:44
the bottom of my heart for being on with
19:45
us today as I said she's inspirational
19:48
go check her out look for her on
19:51
she she will brighten your day just just
19:54
by the conversation that you have with
19:57
thank you as always for joining us this
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is the first of a whole year of new
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time with us today so without further
20:18
adieu we'll see you next week on the
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next episode of the little white line
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see you later everyone