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i welcome guests from all across the
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globe who entertain us
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wow us and excite us and i
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am very very excited about our guest
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today so whether you're here live or on
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replay
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doesn't matter we love you make sure you
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say hi in the comments
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today i am welcome welcoming kat
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williford to the show
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and we are talking about her new book
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the ovarian chronicles
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kat is an internationally renowned coach
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speaker and author for women since 1994.
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she has held the coaching profession's
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highest credential of master certified
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coach
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since 1980 1998 and has trained over 13
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000 coaches internationally that's a lot
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of coaches
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a born and bred texan cat's willingness
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to tell it straight as a shot of tequila
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as part of her charm that's part of why
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i like her so much
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today this modern-day goddess lives on
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the beach in ventura california where
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she delights in moonlight sparkles
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on the ocean so without further ado we
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bring cat
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into the show
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that's a lot of coaches that's a lot of
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coaches i've been doing it for a long
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time
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that's just a lot of coaches a lot of
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coaches
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and it's my thrill actually to to to
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support them on their journey it's my
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thrill to support anyone on their
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journey
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well and you know i've i've said money
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many times you're my coach
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and you know you're you're really good
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at what you do
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i i am sure that all the coaches that
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you've trained
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um have taken what you do so well and
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now
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are able to impart that on their on
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their
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clients and their and their people as
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well which gives you i'm sure a lot of
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joy
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um no your book the ovarian chronicles
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tells your story of how you lost sight
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of navigating your future so the first
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question i really want to ask you is
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where did that title come from
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well uh it came from the fact that it
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was
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i mean i think we women are kind of
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ruled by this thing called our ovaries i
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have been you know
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and they seem to dictate so much and
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i was in the gynecologist's office when
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this book's like the first sentence is
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me
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perhaps i'm like at the gynecologist's
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office hearing what no woman wants to
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hear
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in her lifetime and so when i was
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journaling about this i was like all
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right in my journal
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this is the ovarian chronicles and then
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i realized this is a book
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it's a book and it's stuck it's very
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catchy the title's catchy
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um and and i i was curious as to where
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where that actually is so that's a great
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story um
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so taking responsibility for your health
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and dreams is a prevalent theme
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in the ovarian chronicles is there a
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specific event
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or events that led to that discovery was
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that you
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sitting in the stirrups well it was me
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sitting in the stirrups and it was me
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20 20 years before that
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with a mystery illness that people
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couldn't quite figure out
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nobody was talking about candida when i
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had systemic candida
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in my 20s yeah lucky me
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but that really is that moment where um
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i started in our i started down the
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alternative holistic healing path
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um having grown up a surgeon's father i
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was steeped in the miracles of western
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medicine
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but they were getting me nowhere and so
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this really
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you know i had to take responsibility
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for my body at that point and
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really with the dream piece i had
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let that drift for my dream for children
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and and i was in a beautiful
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relationship for many many years
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and finally after oh a long time many
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years like 16 and a half years he
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finally said
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no not no not now
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but no with the parent record and i
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realized i had
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abdicated taken responsibility for my
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dream i had been
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really supporting his dreams and so
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i want to take a stand here and say hey
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girl
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we gotta put our big girl panties on and
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and we gotta take some action for
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ourselves
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oh my gosh i i like i just love that you
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know you talk about
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body wisdom so what the heck does body
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wisdom mean
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yeah what does that mean it's something
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is your body smart what does that mean
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i think my body is way smarter than this
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will ever
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be seriously so i developed
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uh what i consider a very powerful
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relationship with my body and that's
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part of my work is supporting women to
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stop the hatred of their body
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i mean we're mostly at war with our body
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we deride ourselves we
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you know when i noticed like even last
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year i was kind of laughing at what
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menopause was doing to my body and i you
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know like oh the minnow pod and this and
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that and
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all of a sudden you know in february i'm
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like i can't fit in any of my clothes i
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am taking charge here
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and i was talking to my body i'm like
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what do you want here and it's like i
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don't want to
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i want to be strong again i want to be
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healthy again so i feel like
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wisdom for not just our body can come
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through our body but i literally i will
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put my hands on my heart center and i'll
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just
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close my eyes and say hey there and by
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the way i've named
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the relationship like the entity of my
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body i call her olympia
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she's
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strong olympia is strong she's an
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olympian
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she's from greece i'm all about the
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goddesses
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i love it people came to me and so i'm
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in relationship with my body and i talk
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to her
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and i listen to what she has to say like
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sometimes she's like
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just chill out
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so you know you talk about survival
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skills
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specifically hope became a survival
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skill for you so what would you say to
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others yeah
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you know when i developed that skill
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i was at a very vulnerable
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painful time in my life my father had my
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kidney in him and he was dying
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and over a six-month journey
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and you can't get through six months of
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being by someone's bedside
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unless you craft hope so hope let me
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survive that now
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outside of that kind of circumstance
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hope as a survival strategy
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is not always going to get us what we
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want we have to take responsibility for
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those choices we have to speak out loud
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what we
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want we can't just assume people are
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mind readers
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and we can't just assume that because
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our body is in good health in this
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moment
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right and our fertility will continue to
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last
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so interesting so interesting so
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if you're just tuning in we're talking
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to kat williford uh the author of
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this amazing book that is not quite out
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right this second but it will be out and
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this is if you're watching this six
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months from now a year from now
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or whatever you're going to be able to
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go pick up the book so before we move
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any
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farther into this i want to actually put
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the book um
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into the into the post here so that
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people can see this i'm going to put
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this right
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um in the big screen and you're going to
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notice
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in the comments guys you're going to
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actually see um a link that you're going
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to be able to click on
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um that will take you over to um
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cat's page because it's as i said it's
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not quite older what are they going to
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find there when they click on that link
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so what you're going to find is you can
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find out some more about the book but
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you're also going to have the
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opportunity
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i love giving things away one of my
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favorite things to do is give things to
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people
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so i've created some bonuses here for
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those who
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want to play i'm going to do a community
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zoom jam
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is what i'm calling um the week the book
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comes out
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and so if you want to find out when the
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book comes out get that direct link and
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how to get on that i'm
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also offering my decode
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your body's messages for love health and
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happiness program it's a hundred dollar
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value
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it's a workbook with some meditations
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and guided visualizations
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it is powerful medicine y'all i am
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offering this as a bonus
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to come into the fold come and play and
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really be in this conversation
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of for women by women for women it's
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just
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it's going to be powerful so the what
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they'll have what will happen is once
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they
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once the book is live they're going to
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be able to go buy the book and you'll be
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instructions on how to go
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access all of those bonus things that's
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pretty cool
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so you say it's time for the great
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unmasking first of all i love that it's
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just a great title it's great for
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for all of us internet marketers it's a
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great
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searching title what does that mean
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though what does it mean that we're
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unmasking ourselves
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well part of what i learned through my
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ovarian chronicle journey
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was i was identifying the masks that i
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had been wearing that allowed me to stay
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in this kind of
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uncomfortable comfort zone right
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and so one of them was the fairy tale
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fine mask how many of us pretend things
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are okay when they're not
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because to actually not means we have to
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say
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something and do something differently
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so sometimes we're just not ready for
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that
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right right old times i'm wearing the
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chief operating officer of control mask
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[Music]
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not me i'm a control freak oh yes
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yes
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that's right and you know or we wear the
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suck it up buttercup mask like okay
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it'll be my turn
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someday let me just help this person get
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what they need and want
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oh there's so many masks we wear it's
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exhausting and the truth is
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they were born out of necessity
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right and they were our psyches were
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smart to build them the
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the problem becomes when we forget we're
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wearing them and we start interacting
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that way
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all the time so the unmasking is about
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hey y'all let's
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get real because if we can get real with
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ourselves
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and those we love and be and honor
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what's true for us
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we can then actually start to build
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those dreams we want to be living into
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we can change that storyline
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right and start living the one we want
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to be living
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and and that's so powerful i mean that
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if we can do that
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i think that that's obviously a game
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changer it's it's life-altering when we
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can do that
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um put a pen in your hand and start
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writing that story from
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how it could be exactly and maybe
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turn it into a book you know might even
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want to turn it into a book
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um you say that it that your memoir this
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is your memoir
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it's considered a cautionary tale first
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of all i love
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i love the words that you use and i love
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how you
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um describe things differently than most
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people that i've had the pleasure of
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meeting
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so when you say it's a cautionary tale
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what are you cautionary
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what are you cautioning women about what
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do you want them to learn from your
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example that's great so there's two
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things the first thing is
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i want to caution the younger women
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if hope is your strategy for getting
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pregnant later in life
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wake up right because i wish somebody
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handed me that cup of coffee
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right and said sweetheart if this is
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what you
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want you make your stand now
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now i waited till i was 41.
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mistake so i'm a cautionary tale and and
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listen i'm healthy my grandmother gave
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birth to my father and she was 43 in
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1933
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so like i was counting on that longevity
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right um so don't count on things that
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are not provable like you know
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you know i want to i want to ask and i
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don't know if this is too personal
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when when you when you
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realized that it was it was over it was
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done and you're not going to be able to
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do this in your cautionary tale
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what were the the the emotions that you
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went through i mean how did you
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deal with that that's it that's a huge
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esp
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for women women you know you talk you
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talk violent talk and we talk about
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you're going to have kids and legacy and
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you're going to
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what did that do to you when you were
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well it's interesting because i was
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really still wanting to get pregnant
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when this ovarian diagnosis came my way
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and that's another reason this i had to
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title this book this
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you know the american chronicles and
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i continued honestly with a little bit
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of hope as a strategy
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um coping mechanism and survival skill
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there but really what happened was over
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like once i was out of the crisis of
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like the health
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scare um i was really looking at
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what i was putting myself through to
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keep
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my hope alive and to keep my fertility
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going for as long as i could
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and what i recognized was
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and i've spoken with many women about
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this since
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how challenging it is to grieve
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something that has never been
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so interesting
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so believing this thing that i never had
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but
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it makes you feel cuckoo yeah there's
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nobody to bury
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there's no urn of ashes
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so this grief doesn't have something
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tangible to it and it makes you
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feel cuckoo uh at least it made me feel
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cuckoo
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i was questioning myself constantly
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around
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my uh deservingness
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to actually grieve this pain until i
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woke up and
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well of course you deserve to grieve
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this pain right right
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you're grieving so then it was about the
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grief and letting go and i think grief
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is so
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as painful as it is it is so healthy
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to let ourselves move on and so for me
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it was it was exhuming all of the
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the coulda woulda shoulda's exhuming the
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great wants
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and really releasing them and not
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letting them stay
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stuck in my heart or
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your stuff all the different shoppers
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putting your dream on hold obviously
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builds pressure and regret right
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and eventually something breaks
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something causes a change
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what was that tipping point it was that
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the tipping point at that point at that
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specific time or did something else
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happen
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um it was so no something else that
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happened
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um in my relationship prior and
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um i write about it in the book we had
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just gone through a big
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you know with life my grandmother died
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his grandfather died
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a big big business deal went
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you know i was gone overnight and we got
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out from underneath a really big house
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sold it just in time and we were
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relaxing but he couldn't sit still it
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was all about this other thing and i'm
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like
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what about us i saw the right i was like
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it will never
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be about us now i just want to say i'm
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not here to make him wrong
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i still love him
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but at that moment it was like i can't
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keep doing this or i'm gonna turn into
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somebody i don't
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want to be so you took care of yourself
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which is important i think that's a
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great message for
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women everywhere men too but you know
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let's face it we're talking about
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ovarian
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chronic right so women need to take care
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of themselves sometimes they need to
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learn the beauty of the word no
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it's a beautiful word no a long time to
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learn that word
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but and it can be a complete sentence we
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don't have to justify it and that's what
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i really
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have been doing i've been trying to
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justify right
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you know like any way i could still stay
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in this relationship again
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i love this man right right but i saw
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wow it's never gonna be this thing that
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i needed to be
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right it wasn't good for you at that
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point it was not
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and point you have to own those things
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and it's painful
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and there's growth there so
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you teach a lot about authenticity that
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that is you have these beautiful cards
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you have
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you do a lot of stuff with authenticity
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and in fact you have your signature
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program which is called the authenticity
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advantage
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where you help women unmask their own
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stories their vulnerabilities their
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heartiness
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um i've actually gone to events that
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you've done i've created
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mass i mean we've done all of this stuff
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tell us a little bit about the program
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and and i understand that when they go
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to your website and give them your
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website a little bit
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they can actually go access this to see
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what it's all about but a little bit
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about the authenticity advantage
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you know i think my entire coaching has
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been built around
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supporting women to become their
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authentic selves
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to strip away those things that
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they are not right you know the world
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loves to tell us who we are
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um when we were growing up we were told
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who we are
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at a certain point those things no
17:54
longer fit
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but we keep trying to fit into them
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right
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and that's what i began to notice with
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so many of the women i was coaching and
18:04
myself like what is it i'm trying to fit
18:06
into
18:06
because i you know i feel you know i'm a
18:09
five foot seven woman i kept feeling
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like i was trying to put on you know
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petite pants or something and they were
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up in my knees so
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i was like i don't fit this mold and all
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of my clients were saying similar things
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and that's really when i got we have to
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strip down
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all these old assumptions about
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ourselves that have been layered on
18:30
some of them have come through
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experience but most of them were
18:33
outside in i
18:37
hey i hear you you know you know my
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story
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you totally know my story i mean sitting
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in front of a camera and doing
18:43
live stream for years since then i mean
18:46
forever
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yeah i also talk about being
18:48
like your authentic self and in fact my
18:50
earlier shows were all about that and i
18:52
would look in the mirror and i'd say
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my hair is pitch black it is not
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i'm not being authentic and so i totally
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understand but i didn't i didn't
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understand what it was doing to me
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until i let the hair grow out
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and i did it on camera and it changed
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the trajectory of my career
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definitely because i showed myself as
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vulnerable and i think
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i think there's a connection you can
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tell me yeah or
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between vulnerability and authenticity
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absolutely and
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i think one reason we see people not
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acting
19:26
and behaving authentically is they're
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afraid to be vulnerable
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right i love to say my greatest strength
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is my vulnerability because when i can
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be
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and and even if you start with yourself
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like here's a tip
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you don't have to go and like here i am
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world and you know be naked
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with your heart wide open when you've
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not ever done this before
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start with yourself and it to me it's
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just telling ourselves the truth like
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there was a truth you told yourself in
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that moment
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if i'm correct is that it
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absolutely absolutely i don't know about
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you
20:03
though though in these last six months
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of
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coronavirus and coveted being locked in
20:09
the house
20:09
i have found myself becoming even more
20:12
authentic that i am finding that
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especially with my family
20:17
that i'm able to share my feelings that
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i've never ever
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ever been able to share um because we're
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in a we're in a different world
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right and i i don't even believe in the
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new normal or any of that
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i don't there is no such thing as a new
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normal there's no such thing as we're
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going back to a normal
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we just live in a different time right
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now and
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it's changed the way i show up so as
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much as this was a
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a physical a visual look at me being
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vulnerable
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i now talk about how i feel
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so i don't it's an age thing well
20:52
iris thing i don't know you know i
20:56
i think what i see happening here is it
20:59
is a
20:59
shift in dynamic so there's been a
21:03
shift in dynamic of how we relate to
21:06
people
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right in terms of so much
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here now you know on video
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on screen versus right here
21:18
right and interestingly enough
21:21
i have seen in when we're getting
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vulnerable
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here like this little bubble of
21:27
protection right
21:29
in terms of we're not out in the world
21:32
we're not in a group setting
21:34
um so here
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we're more apt to be a little more
21:39
vulnerable
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but it's translating out there people
21:43
are becoming more vulnerable
21:44
and truth-telling in their personal
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relationships
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yeah it's it's been it's changed it's
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changed my whole dynamic with my family
21:54
i mean and it's like they don't know
21:56
what's happened to me all of a sudden
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i'm
21:58
just i'm sharing which is which is
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not usual for me but it feels so good
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well but it's it's the i think it's your
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evolution right you it started with your
22:08
show when your hair was growing out and
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you know just all the different things
22:13
you've been doing to grow and stretch
22:15
become more authentic right showing up
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and i think that's
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what i see happening that excites me is
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that
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i think there's a great hunger for this
22:25
out there
22:26
for all of us to find that path of more
22:29
authenticity
22:30
right and and if we even take that big
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word
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out of it i think it's a longing to be
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known
22:39
yes and yes i agree i i agree
22:43
uh masks we talked about earlier yeah
22:46
keep people from knowing us
22:48
right i feel known now i my family now
22:51
knows me
22:52
um which they didn't before and it's so
22:54
it's so interesting and it feels
22:56
good it feels good so i think this is
22:59
really important
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if you're wondering how to find out more
23:01
about uh the program
23:03
and you i i encourage you to go over to
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kat williford.com you're going to find
23:07
all sorts of
23:08
really great information there in
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including um
23:11
the the way to get to opt-in so that you
23:13
find out when the book is out there
23:15
and you i know you have some free gifts
23:17
there as well on the site that have
23:18
nothing to do with the book so
23:20
um i encourage people to go over there
23:22
we also encourage people to go follow
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the page is going to show up now you
23:35
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23:39
great there's a lot of conversation back
23:41
and forth and a lot of people that are
23:42
just
23:43
being there they're themselves they're
23:46
vulnerable self so go and check it out
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at
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the sisterhood circle advantage put it
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now you also have a pinterest account i
23:55
love it you're all over the place
23:56
so go into pinterest and type the words
23:59
kat williford
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and you will show up there pinterest is
24:01
so much fun i love it because it's very
24:03
women-centric
24:04
and and we're talking women stuff you
24:06
know and you're also can be found
24:08
on uh linkedin again just put in cat
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with lulaford and you will
24:12
you will show up we've been talking to
24:14
kat williford about her new book that is
24:16
coming out um i just want to put this up
24:19
here one more time
24:20
um the the link is in the comments i
24:23
want to make sure you click on it so
24:24
that you can
24:25
get the notifications from cat when it's
24:28
time to go purchase
24:30
the book and get all the freebie bonuses
24:33
freebie bonuses you've got some really
24:36
cool stuff but i was about to say a bad
24:37
word
24:38
cold i'm not going to say that
24:41
you got a lot of cool stuff that's going
24:43
on over there any last
24:45
um comments thoughts that you want to
24:47
share with our audience i can't believe
24:48
i mean this time has gone by really
24:50
really fast
24:52
what else do would you like to share if
24:53
there's anything to the audience
24:56
you know there is something i want to
24:58
share and it's really
25:00
um i think we're in a great moment here
25:03
where we get to choose
25:07
and invite us all to choose from that
25:10
authentic place inside of us and not
25:13
the one that wants is afraid of things
25:16
like choose from your heart
25:18
not from your fear and one last thing
25:21
you know i
25:22
you know i've got this show called your
25:24
heroine's journey and i would love
25:25
anyone to come and play
25:27
oh yes thank you i'm so sorry i didn't
25:28
say that now they can find that
25:30
on your facebook page
25:33
it's on the author it lives on the
25:35
authenticity advantage facebook page
25:37
that's right
25:37
on this one yeah and you do you do a
25:41
show every couple of weeks right
25:43
every other tuesday yes and you had a
25:45
really cool guest on your show
25:46
yesterday which i go on over there and
25:49
click on online and tell you who it is
25:51
i want you to go over there and click on
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it and
25:54
watch the show guys we really appreciate
25:58
you know that you're here with us today
25:59
or even on replay because you have a
26:01
choice as
26:02
how to spend your time and we are
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bombarded all the time with all sorts of
26:05
stuff and you chose to spend it with us
26:07
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26:17
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thank you cat thank you for sharing your
26:40
expertise sharing your thoughts
26:42
sharing your vulnerabilities sharing
26:44
sharing everything and especially
26:46
sharing
26:46
the book ovarian chronicles i had a
26:49
chance to read some of it already
26:51
it's a wonderful book it's it grabs you
26:53
it pulls you in because it's very much
26:56
it it touches you it touches your heart
26:59
it
27:00
you see yourself in it you say yourself
27:01
as a woman the struggles that we go
27:03
through so i want to thank you for that
27:05
um and i encourage everyone to join us
27:07
next time next week on the next episode
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of
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karen glasser live goodbye everyone
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